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Certainly worth discussing. we would have to register our boats with the ISAF (at a suggested cost of $30 A boat would not 'be registered with ISAF'. Nothing would change, the boat would be registered with the IOM NCA as it is now. The fee would be $5 more likely, and the NCA would pass that on to I...

Would it be permissible for an event to specify in the Sailing Instructions that during the event Class Rules C.4.3 and C.5.3 shall modified as you suggest? Hi Roy Changing class rules is subject to RRS 87: 87 CHANGES TO CLASS RULES The sailing instructions may change a class rule only when the cla...

Hi Jim Sorry for the quoting, but it is the only way I know of being clear what we are talking about in this kind of forum. Taken to its illogical extension, as long as I get an initial measurement certificate the boat need never again be 4000g or 1M in length Well, just to clear this out the way be...

For Roy : You might be interested in my Web page dealing with these issues, written a few years ago: http://www.onemetre.net/OtherTopics/Philos/Intphil.htm Ordinarily, a rule is read and understood as it is written. Ordinarily, a rule is given its normal meaning. It is only under unusual circumstan...

. Hi Jim Its not my opinion. Its what the Class Rules say (sorry about the quotes, unavoidable): PART II – REQUIREMENTS AND LIMITATIONS The crew and the boat shall comply with the rules in Part II when racing . Racing A boat is racing from her preparatory signal until she finishes and clears the f...

Dick Carver wrote:The rules limiting the replacement of appendages (C.6.2), rigs (C.7.1) and sails (C.8.2) apply during an EVENT.

Hi Dick

Well spotted! So where necessary, those rules which apply during an event say so. The other rules therefore apply while racing...

I think once again you have gone too deep into the literal words of the rules Hi Roy I think you have, once again, taken an insufficiently 'deep' understanding of the words of the rules (whatever that might mean). you can not put your boat back into the next heat of the race or event with that diss...

everyone reading the existing rules understand them to prohibit the movement of corrector weights during an event Hi Roy I believe you are wrong on two counts. First is, everyone actually reading the existing rules understands that corrector weights need only be fixed while racing. The rules only a...

In response to the elimination of the old Rule E4.7 from the RRS at the end of 2004... Rule 51 is replaced with: During an event and unless class rules specify otherwise, (a) ballast shall not be shifted, shipped or unshipped; (b) except for replacements of similar weight and position, no control eq...

You may be aware that water-free measurement remains a viable solution, lacking only the will to make a good case to IOM owners. Perhaps now is the time to review this?

. Roy, I'm using the RRS to define the terms, and the IOM Class Rules to tell me when I can change things in the boat: E1.1 Terminology [...] For ‘race’ used as a noun outside this appendix and outside Appendix A read ‘heat’. In this appendix, a race consists of one or more heats and is comp...

The issue we are looking at is, What is meant by 'fixed'? Some folks (most European measurers as far as I can tell) accept that a corrector weight attached by velcro qualifies as 'fixed'. Others disagree, and we have heard that Bantock uses silicone to fix weights. None of this discussion about meth...

And section E has the same language about hull appendages. And similar language is in the section about the rig. Seems to me by the time you are done you have covered the entire "boat". Hi Roy Nope, you haven't covered the entire boat! There remain rules about the boat in Section C which are not pa...

Hi Roy

A few posts ago you complained about the amount of heat and wanted to bring some light.

It seems to me you are now injecting heat into this debate.

I note you have provided no rational answer to my question. So your defence is a personal attack. A pity.

I am now straightened out here (smile). A boat is racing between her prep signal until she clears the finish line for any heat. So she can receive outside help between heats. The other topics here continue to discuss the circumstances (between heats? Races? Events?) in which she can replace her batt...

Hi Roy

D1.1 refers to the hull. Not the boat.

Can we come back to the pont of this topic...

My boat's draft might be 415 mm, and it might weigh 4.1 kg in 'normal' trim. What is the rule which prevents me from using a heavier battery pack at the next event such that its draft becomes 416 mm and its weight rises to 4.5 kg?

We have already notified the measurers for the upcoming world championship to check if corrector weights are "fixed" in place. Unless something different emerges, expect that velcro attachment of corrector weights will not be deemed to be "fixed" Hi Roy With what authority are you able to say that ...

each boat must be in compliance with all of the class rules at time of measurement. This includes the provisions of part C Hi Roy What part of Owners and crews should be aware that compliance with rules in Section C is NOT checked as part of the certification process. ... do you think says that com...

Yup. Ken might even have read it in the IOMICA Race Management Manual: It is common to number the marks for easy identification. When the number used is of the same dimensions as the sail number for the class being sailed, it immediately becomes obvious when any mark has been set too far away – it...

Clearly not the the intent of the measurement rules or process. On the contrary. It clearly *is* the intent of the rules. This is what they say: Introduction One Metre hulls, hull appendages, rigs and sails may be manufactured by any amateur or professional manufacturer without any requirement for ...

That would mean that the certificate, as a guarantee that the boat was 'legal' Hi Val The certificate is not any such guarantee. It is only a statement that, at the time and date of measurement, the boat was in compliance with the rules applicable. As a measurer, you know that the hull measurement ...

Nothing I could find in the rules explicitly permit corrector weights to be moved between events Hi Roy You wouldn't find it, because the rules do not concern themselves with the boat outside of an event. The class rules state that measurements with which the boat must comply (weight, draft, etc) o...

The rules require that the boat essentially be the same, not lighter, not heavier, but the same Hi Roy What the rules actually require is that the boat meets certain 'envelope' limits. Its draft shall not exceed 420 mm, for example, and its weight shall not be less than 4 kg. My boat's draft might ...

Hi Gilbert I don't think the class has anything personal against holes in booms (smile). It is a class philosophy thing which one buys into (or not, as the case may be). The idea is that the rig is strictly controlled, making it effectively a one-design rig. The hull is less strictly controlled, suc...

Hi Val. I was rather hoping you'd be able to get back to us following your promise to do so: As to your other points I have put them before an IJ and an IM and I will get back on the forum when I have an answer Just in case it would be helpful to remind ourselves of the points in question, these are...

as Valpro confirmed too this is not specified in the rules and therefore should be allowed Hi Gilbert You said something similar earlier and I thought that you had simply forgotten to include a 'not'. What Val said is that the IOM class rules are closed class rules, and that anything not explicitly...

Barry Chisam wrote:So if a promoted boat is still racing between heats does that mean that no tuning help or tactical discussions etc are permitted as surely that would be outside assistance.

Hi Barry

Nice one! Yes, the way I read E1.1, this is exactly what E4.2 says... (smile).

[...] means that anything not specifically permitted [...] Hi Dick Yup, "any thing". A "thing". A noun. The following are not specifically permitted: Using receiver batteries as ballast What you mention here is an action. "Using". A verb. The rules do not much deal with prohibited or permitted acti...

I can find no restriction in E1.1, E4.5, or anywhere else, on when a boat can be taken ashore (and have her battery replaced). Hi Dick We are talking at cross-purposes here, unfortunately. Of course a boat can 'replace her battery' at any time, provided she does so in a similar position and with a ...