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by RoyL
26 Oct 2009, 16:09
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Great statement of principal from Gary Jobson, not sure exactly what it means. However, best I can see, the US Sailing regulations (Membership, Section 2) still require a US Sailing membership to participate in major races.
by RoyL
26 Oct 2009, 05:58
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Just to end this little dialogue--what I am actually saying is: (i) that it is likely that all IOM sailors in the United States who want to participate in a US Sailing sanctioned IOM race will have to spend $60 per year to join US Sailing (unless, of course, Brig North volunteers to pay it for them ...
by RoyL
25 Oct 2009, 21:52
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Actually, US Sailing regulations currently require that in a US Sailing Championship all members from the US must be US Sailing members. Current membership fee is approximately $60 (I think) each year. Assuming (per Brig) thirty IOM sailors will have to join US Sailing that is $1800 total per year. ...
by RoyL
25 Oct 2009, 02:13
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Barry: RoyG's explanation is pretty close to how things operate in the United States also. AMYA is affiliated with US Sailing and our r/c class nationals are sanctioned as AMYA Annual Class Championship Regattas. I'm not sure if AMYA is regularly communicating with US Sailing and I have no idea what...
by RoyL
24 Oct 2009, 01:11
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

I'm sorry, I just got to ask, Lester: Answers based on your "experience"? What exactly is that? Have you been the principal in applying for ISAF status for other classes? Have you been communicating with ISAF on behalf of IOMICA? Are you representing ISAF or the current Executive?
by RoyL
23 Oct 2009, 16:53
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Now I have to disagree (what a surprise, lol)--I do not think the question before our class is one of philosophy, it is solely about practicality. The issue I believe is what are the costs, benefits, and concerns raised by the current deal on the table with ISAF. The largest NCA's and some very well...
by RoyL
22 Oct 2009, 20:57
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Alphonso: I strongly agree with you that the heads of those NCAs that have raised questions and concerns about the current direct affiliation between ISAF and IOMICA should reach out to the IOMICA Executive and try to find a path forward. I also think it is the obligation of the IOMICA Executive to ...
by RoyL
22 Oct 2009, 08:40
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

I have to say I am extremely disappointed in how IOMICA's possible direct affiliation with ISAF has been handled. I have always believed it is the job of the IOMICA Executive to put aside personal beliefs and desires and act in a manner that will best enhance the growth, stability and future of our ...
by RoyL
09 Oct 2009, 06:14
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Barry: I agree with you that continuing to have IOMICA report to RSD is very problematic. I have never been comfortable with RSD having a veto power over the wishes of the membership of the IOM class. In particular I was very troubled by the recent, unelected RSD Technical head trying to tell IOMICA...
by RoyL
28 Sep 2009, 00:30
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Jan: You are right. Val did seem to shorthand the ISAF decision making process. It would seem that the paid ISAF staff and National Authorities and others can make recommendations to Committees, and Committees can make recommendations and proposals to the Council and the ISAF Council is the final de...
by RoyL
20 Sep 2009, 16:35
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Barry: Like you, I think it's really important that we have an election with a strong turn out that gives an accurate reflection of the class members' wishes. I was a little surprised therefore that the Exec didn't opt for a later meeting date to give the NCAs more time to put together comprehensive...
by RoyL
18 Sep 2009, 14:34
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Barry: Pursuant to Section 4.9 of the Class Regulations, four weeks before any Special Meeting of the World Council, each NCA is required to provide specific, not general information for the upcoming vote. I believe a detailed list including individual owner name and boat registration numbers is req...
by RoyL
17 Sep 2009, 16:18
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Barry: Is this notice also going to be posted here for the membership to review?
by RoyL
15 Sep 2009, 17:24
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

I'm not trying to make this overly complicated, but this is probably the most importantly decision IOMICA has to make. I think it is essential for all of us to fully understand all of the issues and to take the time and effort to get it right from the start. Contrary to Alfonso's prior response, I b...
by RoyL
14 Sep 2009, 23:33
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Alfonso: Thanks for the answer, but the more I look at the ISAF rules and regulations the more confused I get. First, ISAF rules, Section 26, seems to say that a formal agreement between a prospective class and ISAF must be signed. Is this correct? Is there a draft of this agreement? Does IOMICA nee...
by RoyL
12 Sep 2009, 19:13
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

All right, let's try to look at it this way---today, if IOMICA wants to change its rules or has a technical question it is subject to review and approval of RSD. RSD can even over ride a vote of all of our members. I've never liked this set up. If we become directly affiliated with ISAF does this ch...
by RoyL
11 Sep 2009, 16:52
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Excuse me please!!! How does taking notice of the fact that in the ISAF organization chart the person we are dealing with is in a very junior position become a "slur and attack" plus "uncalled for, unjustified, cretinous, loathesome" etc. I raised the point initially because in thirty years of exper...
by RoyL
10 Sep 2009, 23:07
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Doesn't it presume a little to suggest that the IOMICA discussion document as put forth by the Executive "summarises everything the membership needs for its evaluation"? Is it possible that there might be a few other questions people might legitimately have? As I mentioned earlier, I, for example, w...
by RoyL
10 Sep 2009, 15:55
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

But, we keep being told that by joining ISAF we will get a "vote" and a "seat at the table". Membership on the Classes Committee, which then has selected representatives sit on the ISAF Council (not likely IOMICA), isn't quite that. At least for me, the more I look at the ISAF website and their publ...
by RoyL
10 Sep 2009, 04:52
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

I did another quick look at the ISAF website. Sections 81 and 82 of the ISAF Constitution seems to read that as an independent class we would not be entitled to a vote in the ISAF general assembly and be entitled to representation on ISAF committees only as permitted by ISAF regulations. Has somethi...
by RoyL
03 Sep 2009, 06:40
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

I have recently spent some time looking through the ISAF website. A few things sort of jumped out at me. First, it appears that a class when it is affiliated with ISAF (although entitled to attend ISAF meetings) is specifically not entitled to voting rights. Anyone know if this is correct? Second, i...
by RoyL
28 Aug 2009, 22:58
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Alfonso: Both on the link you posted and in the link on the home page, the document you reference, (at least on my Mac), is blank. Am I doing something wrong? Update: Not sure what happened; the document is now viewable. Might have been a firewall problem. BTW, could someone identify who was the aut...
by RoyL
28 Aug 2009, 21:33
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Jan: As always, thanks for the prompt and concise response. It is a great start to hopefully a great discussion on this forum among our members.
by RoyL
28 Aug 2009, 16:54
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Jan: Since you asked, a few questions raised by your post: 1. What is the current relationship between RSD and ISAF? It has been implied by some here that one of the reasons we must join with ISAF immediately is because RSD is going to be dissolved by ISAF. However, the ISAF website still lists RSD ...
by RoyL
28 Aug 2009, 04:26
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

I believe that in order to make an informed decision it is important to know all of the terms and conditions of the proposed affiliation of IOMICA with ISAF. It would also be nice to hear the positives and negatives of this proposed agreement in the view of our class leaders as asked on this forum. ...
by RoyL
20 Aug 2009, 21:59
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Alfonso: I just reviewed the ISAF website. According to that site, all ISAF decisions are made by volunteer committees of the organization usually as part of an annual general assembly. The site also states that there is a small staff of paid employees who are described as answering member questions...
by RoyL
20 Aug 2009, 17:02
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Robert: The fact is that Appendix Q has never been voted on or officially adopted by the class.

The last date on which Appendix Q was worked on wasn't the issue or the point.
by RoyL
20 Aug 2009, 01:45
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Alfonso: It would be very helpful if the Executive makes available on the open board to the entire membership the full letter sent and the entire reply received from ISAF. It also would be nice to know the name of the person who responded to us. I think this is important, because unfortunately I bel...
by RoyL
19 Aug 2009, 15:57
Forum: Events and Event Management
Topic: IOM World Championshipe 2011
Replies: 3
Views: 5555

Is it now correct to assume that the 2011 World Championship has been "formally" awarded to West Kirby, Great Britain?

In the present World economy, its never too early to start looking into travel plans.
by RoyL
16 Aug 2009, 17:50
Forum: General IOM
Topic: IOM in ISAF
Replies: 198
Views: 158194

Robert: No "Roy vs. Lester" issues going on here. Read you own posts. You have stated that you believe discussions (such as judges at major r/c races) "may be closed". You have virtually demanded that you be told "problems" that NCAs may have with immediate ISAF affiliation. You have lectured us for...