IOMICA Forum

Hi John and Xabier,

Problems may occur when in a race one of these numbers is repeated and should put a prefix.

But simply sticking with the prefixed sails does not eliminate the problem - it only makes it less likely. You would still have a problem (because of a mix of double-digit and triple ...

As far as I know, Appendix E can be changed by SIs, including E8.
I'm not so sure about that Lester... I mean, sure, I do believe that SIs can amend RRS (in general)... However, SIs cannot amend CRs (except with written permission of the ICA, I think?) and C.8.3 clearly states that "Identification ...

An interesting view I hadn't thought of! I confess that I have previously understood "the race committee shall promptly hail ‘Recall (sail numbers)’" to mean that the hail "Recall 14, 141" meets the rule.

Well, the first part of the rule references a boat (singular) ("When at a boat ’s starting ...

Hi John,

On your suggested hail of “Recall, sail number. . . recall sail number. . over early”. In over 50 years of racing, I have never heard the use of Recall as a separator with each sail number. Maybe that is a good solution to (part of) the problem.

Well, as I'm sure you know, in "big" boat ...

Hi John,

I'm not quite sure what the problem is?

If you're referring to Lester's example below..


Discussion . There is a significant change to the required hail of a sail number, as specified in E2.1(b), where a sail number shall be hailed as a sequence of digits. The problem comes when the ...

Hi Roy,

Thanks for the clarification. Please send your bill (and all the related expenses, of course) to IOMICA - attention of Robert Grubisa (since it was, after all, related to TSC and should be allocated to his department). I thought they would have had you on retainer already? LOL

MM

Hi Bruce and Robert,

Actually, I believe that since IOM Class Rules have been written in what ISAF terms the Standard Class Rules (SCR) format - it is more than likely that once upon a time (back in a 2003 edition when the switch to SCR format was made) our rules writers (back then it would have ...

Hi Peter,

What Lester actually described is an automated use of telemetry data and, even now, it is not something that is forbidden by the CRs (at least not by C.5.3 which is the subject of this debate) as it does not require any of the information to actually be sent to the transmitter (one would ...

I feel I need to add one more clarification and an apology...

First: When I spoke of BG’s “cavalier conduct” I meant that in the sense of “gallant, chivalrous” and certainly not in the pejorative sense of the word. Just in case anyone misunderstood that (somebody pointed out to me that that could ...

Hi Bruce:

Just when I was thinking this was all going to go away and we could go sailing!

You and me both...

Did these 7 skippers know that these sails would make it through tech inspections in advance of the WC?

Only one person in a whole wide world could have made such a guarantee - not ...

Hi Bruce,

I started drafting an answer (offline) to yours and Roy's queries from a couple of days ago but, by now, the discussion (which was already fractioned into several different points) has taken a whole different tack - which, perhaps, best of all, illustrates the unsuitability of an ...

Hi everyone,

Personally, I think the most succinct (and ultimately correct) assessment was the first reply from Peter Allen: "They can't be illegal - they all passed event measurement"... Exactly! :lol:

Now to expound a bit - as per what was previously said: the interpretation in question ...

I agree with Roy and share his concern... (Whoah... Something seems strange about that last sentence... :lol: Just kidding Roy - I'm sure we agreed on other things in the past :lol: )

The lack of activity and interest on this site (and in the IOM online community at large) is curious and to some ...

I thought this award was an excellent idea - hats off to all involved! I've not, however, seen or heard anything about it in the coverage of West Kirby. Any news on who became the first recipient of it?

Marko

Terrible news indeed - one of the true sailing icons from the golden generation of sailing is gone. I feel privileged for having had a chance to meet him (also in Vancouver).

For those wishing to know more about Geoff - a great write-up in Sail-World:
http://www.sail-world.com/Canada/Geoff-Smale ...

I'm surprised that John's question didn't gain a bit more traction... It's not just DX8 but also new 2.4GHz radios from Hitec also have basic telemetry built in and, judging by the reception of the telemetry features in the aviation world, Airtronic and Futaba will probably be releasing their ...

Jim:

In the past, the major obstacle to further pursuing ISAF affiliation (and very eloquently championed by some NCAs) was that it would be irresponsible to pursue any affiliation without full and complete disclosure of all costs, fixed and variable, associated with such a course. I believe, in ...

Before this gets too far down the road - I must backtrack and retract vis-a-vis my earlier comments and Roy's correction.

Roy is, in fact, 100% correct in saying that in the US electoral college system it is up to individual states how they plan on divvy up their votes!

Of course, since allocating ...

What's done is done and I agree with Bruce that we now have to concentrate all of our energy and efforts in resolving the unfortunate situation in which we find ourselves...

For what it's worth and without any thought or concern as to whose cause this furthers (simply because I was a member of the ...

On the contrary Val - the rule clearly specifies that you don't have to have any battens at all...

It specifies that you must have batten pockets but, if you don't want those, then you must have battens.

Having both is not explicitly covered - but given the ISAF created and backed precedent we now ...

Val:

I certainly agree with your contention that "bigger and stiffer is beneficial"... In sails and, generally, everything else in life... :lol:

But as far as tabling (vs primary and/or secondary reinforcement) - Henry is clearly correct... All three are mentioned in G.3.3 & G.4.3 where the ...

I'm in complete agreement with Roy (Thompson, that is :lol: ). Breakdown in fundamental vs event measurements as dictated by SCR (Section C vs D-H) makes absolutely perfect sense to me and it's a most elegant approach I could envision... But I guess that's why the "equipment rules gurus" at ISAF ...

Hi Andy,

I imagine that the purpose of G.1.1 is to tell the measurer that all of those things mentioned - windows, reefing eyes, reefing points, blocks, etc. are part of the sail and presumably should be then included in the measurement... I.e. if leech and luff tabling extend the edges of the sail ...

I, for one, find it impossible to accept Val's and Andy's contention that ERS G.1.1 somehow "gives permission" to use tabling...

In fact, what G.1.1 states is that when the said items are used , they shall be considered a part of the sail... This is in no way the same as saying that they are ...

Roy:

The continued use of the word "racing" in our class rule regarding restrictions on the movement of corrector weights is clearly an oversight by the perfectly human drafters of our rules. Read in context and in light of all the rest of our rules the word should be read to mean "event" or ...

I have some questions/concerns regarding proposed changes to CR C.7.3:

[quote]3. To further clarify the moving/changing weight issue.

Our CRs state:
C.7.3 ADDED WEIGHTS
(a) Weights of any material may be positioned in and/or on a mast
spar below the lower point. Weights of density greater ...

I see this topic has been resurrected so I thought I'd chime in with my $0.02 worth... :lol:

The following seems clear to me from the discussion so far and by looking at CRs:

1) Meaning of "fixed"
IMHO "fixed" means something that is incapable of moving on its own (in the course of normal ...

Not so fast Jan...

We still haven't learned what the second "big mistake" was?

Marko

Hi Alfonso,

I had always taken IOMC 8.8.2 to mean that the 2/3rd majority is applied to the result of the individual NCA balloting - e.g. if an NCA polls 22 skippers as Yes and 10 as No then their combined vote in the World Council is Yes (whereas, if they got 19 Yess and 10 Nos their NCA vote ...

A full 44% of the rules governing Conditions For Racing refer to actions taken while not racing, by the RRS definition.
To say that Section C rules are only in effect between a boats prep signal and the point at which she finishes and clears the line is simply wrong.

Dick - I think you confusing ...