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Dave Pickett wrote:[...]are you certain it only does one turn?

Pretty sure, although I've never actually used one. They pop up on ebay from time to time.

Careful with the T125, I'm lead to believe it's limited to just one turn.

Hi Don,

While the rule is in force during an event, measurement isn't taken on the water

ERS H.4.3 wrote:No external pressure shall be applied to a spar when measuring unless specifically prescribed.

I read this to mean untesioned.

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Include Alfonso and Bruce...

It would be difficult not to include Bruce surely? As he appears to continue in an executive position to which he has not been elected.

Until the situation surrounding the vote is resolved should the office of Chairman not remain unfilled?

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Folks

I had every intention of watching from the sidelines, however...

It has come to my attention that the IOMICA Chairman has called for each NCA to resubmit their votes for the 2009 AGM in respect of the Exec positions with instruction on how they would like the votes cast.

I understand that ...

Can we please move on?

Generally one moves on when a resolution has been reached. Lester asks a reasonable question that has yet to be answered. If you’d like to move on Roy I’d suggest maybe actually addressing the point.

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Hi Marko

In fact, what G.1.1 states is that when the said items are used, they shall be considered a part of the sail

Agreed, when tabling is used it is considered to be part of the sail, therefore allowed.

This is in no way the same as saying that they are explicitly allowed

Then what is ...

Hi Roy

I just don't see your point

My point is that submitting AGM resolutions for CR changes to the joint IOMICA/RSD tech committee is the process laid out in the IOMICA/RSD agreement.

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IOM CR C.8 uses the ERS definition of a sail, we know this because it appears in bold type.

ERS G.1.1 specifically allows tabling as part of a sail.

IOM CR G.3.1(b)(1) & G.4.1(b)(1) further specify how tabling may be used at the luff to form a pocket, but I don’t see that this disallows tabling ...

[...]in extensive discussions on this issue among the IOM Executive no one once suggested that this would not be the case.

Yes someone did... Me. By asking you to request Robert convene the Committee.

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Andy wanted to send all this to Robert Grubisa

Not true. I wanted IOMICA to submit the resolutions to the joint IOMICA/RSD Technical committee.

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The majority of the Exec has chosen to ignore the processes laid out in the MoU with ISAF-RSD and take a different course of action regarding the technical resolutions that require ratification. The public conversations on this forum should leave people in no doubt as to the issues I’m talking ...

Folks

I have stated to the Exec, that I will not condone action that goes against the agreement between IOMICA and RSD. I will not be swayed from that position.

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Hi Jim

Fair comments, however...

IOMICA has failed constitutionally a number of times too, should we no longer be recognised?

There needs to be give and take here, there is considerably more expertise in the RSD tech committee than there is in the IOMICA tech committee (no offence meant to Roy ...

Folks,

There are obvious differences of opinion here. I have asked Roy put aside the differences, liaise with Robert and convene the joint tech committee as per the process.

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Hi John

1. Join the ISAF directly.
2. Join the IRSCA as a class or as an ICA and be affiliated with ISAF
2[3]. Leave the ISAF and go our own way.

1 and 3 are OK, 2 I’m not so sure about...

It’s classes that ISAF recognise and there’s absolutely no reason why a future IRSCA and IOMICA ...

The date has been confirmed as the 23rd June. That gives a cut off for resolutions and nominations of 14th April.

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Hi Antonio

How the process is followed is up to the class registrar for the NCA. I can’t see a problem with a scanned measurement form. However, if he/she doesn’t have facilities for dealing with electronic documentation then fair enough.

In the end the registrar is in control of how they deal ...

Hi Robert,

It seems that link in Andy's message is not valid

My mistake, that’s a thread in the Exec forum, where I’ve asked VC Tech to proof read the submission to RSD, I should have mentioned it’s accessible only to Exec members, sorry.

By the way, measurement forms must be changed as ...

Hi Roy

Please ask Andy S. about the presentation of rule changes to RSD. It is his area. I also look forward to the day when we will be directly dealing with ISAF

Please see my post in the Exec area:
http://www.iomclass.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1303

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Hi Antonio

I am following the heated discussion

Me too...

and I'm scared

...it has highlighted certain, umm, issues. But I don’t think there’s anything to be scared of.

Is that no one with sufficient authority to bring order?

Well, I don’t think we’ve quite sunk to disorder ...

Hi Roy

Andy: I have never really understood what the meaning of the phrase "compliance with rules of section C is not checked as part of the certification process".

ERS 2009 - 2012 wrote: Certification – see “Certifyâ€

Specifics are yet to be finalised, however the 2009 AGM will be held at the World Championships in BAR. This gives a nominal deadline for resolutions and Exec Officer nominations of 18 April.

The Exec plan a resolution for a way forward accounting for the changes afoot with RSD, the details of this ...

I seem to recall a similar discussion some years ago, but can’t seem to find it just at the minute.

I believe that common practice has clouded the requirements of the IOM Class Rules. Most measurers are checking for compliance with section C, indeed the MYA offers advice for measurers to do so ...

Hi Don

Don wrote:F.4.2. makes adjustment holes illegal unless there is another rule somewhere that allows them.

I think F.4.2(b) allows for adjustment holes:

CR F.4.2(b) wrote:openings for fittings and rigging.

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The upcoming AGM sees the Executive Officers positions due for re-election. Regrettably, I won’t be running for office this time. Circumstances have changed sufficiently for me to no longer have the time.

IOMICA will need a strong Executive moving forward, the changes likely with RSD will require ...

Hi Lester,

Try this one:
http://www.sailbarbados.com/pdf/2009_WC ... f_Race.pdf

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Hi Olivier

how to access this FTP site

Instructions can be found in the WC InfoComms forum:
http://www.iomclass.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=128

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Hi Alfonso

I asked the Exec to show this questionnaire, at least the questionnaire of BAR and at least to the WC, but I am still waiting

My apologies, I missed this. I’ve uploaded both applications to the World Council FTP site.

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Hi Pedro

This issue of choosing the host [...] should be more clearly regulated

Agreed, you’re quite right. Olivier asked the same question during the Exec’s deliberations:
http://www.iomclass.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1328

This thread is part of the World Council forum and not accessible ...